Who's the best player at each age?
谁是各个年龄段最好的球员?
With no games until the weekend, it's time to answer the questions that no one was asking in the first place. Such as: who is the best player at every age?
既然要到周末才能上演下一场季后赛,我们不妨趁此机会讨论些冷门的问题。比如:在各个年龄段,谁是现在最棒的球员喃?
Here are my personal picks, with honorable mentions in italics.
我列出了我心目中的最佳球员,斜体部分是备选名单。
17) R.J. Barrett (Duke commit and # 1 high school prospect)
17岁:R.J.巴雷特(半只脚踏进杜克了,这哥们是全美高中第一人)。
18) Jaren Jackson Jr. (Michigan State)
18岁:小杰伦-杰克逊(密歇根州大内线)。
19) Luka Doncic. Markelle Fultz, DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III
19 岁:卢卡-东契奇,马克尔-富尔茨,德安德鲁-艾顿,马文-巴格利三世。
20) Jayson Tatum. Brandon Ingram, Dennis Smith, Lonzo Ball, De'Aaron Fox, Lauri Markkanen
20岁:杰森-塔图姆,布兰登-英格拉姆,丹尼斯-史密斯,郎佐-鲍尔,达龙-福克斯,劳里-马尔卡宁。
21) Devin Booker. Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown
21岁:德文-布克,本-西蒙斯,多诺万-米切尔,贾马尔-默里,杰伦-布朗。
22) Karl-Anthony Towns. Kristaps Porzingis, Myles Turner
22岁:卡尔-安东尼-唐斯,克里斯塔普斯-波尔津吉斯,迈尔斯-特纳。
23) Giannis Antetoukounmpo. Nikola Jokic
23岁:扬尼斯-阿德托昆博,尼古拉-约基奇。
24) Joel Embiid. Bradley Beal, Andre Drummond, Steven Adams, Otto Porter Jr.
24岁:乔尔-恩比德,布拉德利-比尔,安德鲁-德拉蒙德,史蒂文-亚当斯,奥托-波特。
25) Anthony Davis. Rudy Gobert, Harrison Barnes
25岁:安东尼-戴维斯,鲁迪-戈贝尔,哈里森-巴恩斯。
26) Kawhi Leonard. Kyrie Irving, Victor Oladipo, C.J. McCollum, Khris Middleton
26岁:科怀-伦纳德,凯里-欧文,维克托-奥拉迪波,CJ-麦科勒姆。
27) Damian Lillard. John Wall, Jrue Holiday, DeMarcus Cousins
27岁:达米安-利拉德,约翰-沃尔,朱-霍勒迪,德马库斯-考辛斯。
28) James Harden. Jimmy Butler, Paul George, DeMar DeRozan, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Gordon Hayward, Kemba Walker
28岁:詹姆斯-哈登,吉米-巴特勒,保罗-乔治,德玛尔-德罗赞,克莱-汤普森,德拉蒙德-格林,戈登-海沃德,肯巴-沃克。
29) Kevin Durant. Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin
29岁:凯文-杜兰特,拉塞尔-维斯布鲁克,凯文-乐福,布雷克-格里芬。
30) Steph Curry. Mike Conley
30岁:斯蒂芬-库里,迈克-康利。
31) Al Horford.
31岁:艾尔-霍福德。
32) Kyle Lowry. LaMarcus Aldridge
32岁:凯尔-洛瑞,拉马库斯-阿尔德里奇。
33) LeBron James. Chris Paul, Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap
33岁:勒布朗-詹姆斯,克里斯-保罗,马克-加索尔,保罗-米尔萨普。
34) Marcin Gortat. Andre Iguodala, Thabo Sefolosha, Jarrett Jack
34岁:马尔坎-戈塔特,安德烈-伊戈达拉,萨博-塞福洛沙,贾莱特-杰克。
35) Tyson Chandler. Nene, Devin Harris, Emeka Okafor
35岁:泰森-钱德勒,内内,德文-哈里斯,埃米卡-奥卡福。
36) Dwyane Wade. Tony Parker, Zach Randolph, Joe Johnson, Jameer Nelson
36岁:德维恩-韦德,托尼-帕克,扎克-兰多夫,乔-约翰逊,贾米尔-尼尔森。
37) Pau Gasol. Kyle Korver, David West, Richard Jefferson, Udonis Haslem
37岁:保罗-加索尔,凯尔-科沃尔,大卫-韦斯特,理查德-杰弗森,犹多尼斯-哈斯勒姆。
38) Jamal Crawford
38岁:贾马尔-克劳福德。
39) Dirk Nowitzki
39岁:德克-诺维茨基。
40) Manu Ginobili. Jason Terry
40岁:马努-吉诺比利,杰森-特里。
41) Vince Carter
41岁:文斯-卡特。
Most of these turned out to obvious, but there are some great debates at age 19, age 21, age 22, age 24, and age 32 (Lowry vs. Aldridge) specifically. Who do you have at those spots? Let's talk about current impact and avoid projecting future value.
我相信其中大部分都是毫无争议的,但是19,21,22,24和32年龄段的选择还有待商榷,特别是凯尔-洛瑞和拉马库斯-阿尔德里奇,我很纠结他们谁更好。不知道你们可有什么高见?另外,希望咱们讨论的时候着眼于当下的表现,暂时忽略未来价值加成吧。
As a sidenote: that drop off after age 33 is pretty darn noticeable. Amazing that LeBron James remains the consensus best player alive, despite the fact that there aren't any All-Stars who are 34 or older.
附注:33岁之后球员水平的下滑是真挺明显的。但是尽管联盟中没有年龄34+的全明星球员,詹姆斯却还是大家公认的联盟中最棒的球员,这真的很不可思议!
[–]km912 838 指標 5小時前
Pretty crazy to think Beal and embid are the same age, it feels like Beal has been in the league forever and embid is brand new.
苍了个天呢,比尔和恩比德居然一样大,我感觉比尔一直在联盟中征战而恩比德才初出茅庐呢。
[–]Hawkscodenamewill 345 指標 5小時前
Embiid and Beal are the same age? I feel like Beal's been in the league 9 years.
他俩一个岁数?我感觉比尔在联盟待了快有9年了吧。
[–]MoonshinePapi 179 指標 4小時前
And Drummond wtf
德拉蒙德才他喵的24???
[–]Cavaliers BandwagonNeedDEA 118 指標 2小時前
He’s been 24 for like five years
是呀,我感觉他已经24岁快五年了吧~
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 437 指標 5小時前
Yeah I feel that way comparing Devin Booker to Donovan Mitchell.
和层主同感,其实我看到布克和米切尔的时候心里就已经在卧槽了。
[–]SunsGGoodman09 158 指標 4小時前
Which is another reason suns fans are so excited for the future.
太阳球迷:这就是为啥我们太阳球迷对未来充满憧憬呀!
[–]76ersMad_Brewer 14 指標 2小時前
I mean Beal turns 25 at the end of June and Joel just turned 24 in March. But I see what you mea
76人球迷:道理我都懂,但是比尔六月底就25岁了,而恩比德三月份才刚满的24岁呀。
[–]Celtics Bandwagonbillcosbyinspace 56 指標 4小時前
Davis only being a year older than embiid really surprised me as well
凯尔特人球迷:真正把我吓一跳的是浓眉居然只比恩比德大一岁。
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 42 指標 3小時前
Yeah AD’s youth was really slept on when everyone was hyping up Giannis as a future MVP earlier in the year. Maybe he is, but AD has plenty of time to grab one too.
没毛病,赛季初我们都鼓吹字母哥是未来的MVP,却忽视了浓眉的年轻潜力。字母哥确实有可能成为MVP,但是浓眉也有大把时间对MVP发起冲击。
[–]Bucksthisishorsepoop 183 指標 5小時前
I'm surprised by Gortat being 34. I'm not even sure why.
不知为啥,我觉得戈塔特应该没有34岁这么大呀。
[–][POR] Rasheed Wallaceblazerboy3000 160 指標 5小時前
His time in Orlando as Dwight Howard's backup is exceptionally forgettable.
猛龙球迷:他在魔术给霍华德打替补的经历太容易被忘记啦。
[–][CHA] Malik MonkBizGilwalker 56 指標 4小時前
I never realized Gortat was actually two years older than Dwight. He came into the league three years after Dwight did. I thought they were roughly the same age
公牛球迷:我从没意识到戈塔特竟然比霍华德大两岁。他原来比霍华德晚三年进的联盟,我本来以为他们差不多大喃。
[–]Bulletsragtime_sam 88 指標 4小時前
I'm more surprised OP put his bum ass over Iguodala
公牛球迷:楼主把伊戈达拉放在后面才是惊到我了。
[–]WizardsDinner4Thots 37 指標 4小時前
Same, like wtf is Gortat even good at besides making an angst face
奇才球迷:同感,搞特么啥呀,戈塔特除了他那个“愁容满面脸”的表情,还能干点啥?
[–]RaptorsUterus_Punch 37 指標 3小時前
Screens. Probably one of the best screeners in the league.
掩护吧,戈塔特可能是联盟中掩护技巧最好的球员之一。
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 8 指標 3小時前
Hah I originally forgot Iggy which is one reason. But also he basically took the regular season off.
楼主回复:哈哈,我一开始没想起来伊戈达拉,但是这也是因为他常规赛确实太划水了。
[–][CLE] Kevin LoveIamthe_Maestro 115 指標 5小時前
Lowry is 32. Huh.
骑士球迷:嗯哼??洛瑞32了?
[–][SAS] LaMarcus AldridgeTornGauntlet 43 指標 3小時前
Am I trippin or did he play with Yao and McGrady in H-Town?
马刺球迷:是我的幻觉吗?我隐约记得他和姚明、麦迪一起在休城打过球。
[–]RocketsMrBlowinLoadz 31 指標 3小時前
He definitely played with Yao but I'm not sure about T Mac, he was like permanently injured around that time until we traded him to NY the next year
火箭球迷:他肯定和姚明一队过,但有没有麦迪我不确定,那段时间麦迪好像一直有伤在身,然后下一年就被交易到尼克斯了。
[–]RaptorsZeppelanoid 14 指標 3小時前
He spent a few years in Houston and Memphis as a backup
猛龙球迷:他在火箭和灰熊打过几年替补。
–]RocketsMrBlowinLoadz 23 指標 2小時前
He was actually our starter for like a year and half but he and McHale didn't get along. Lowry got hurt and then Dragic kinda took over. It's crazy thinking back that we had both of them before they became stars, many of us thought they had the potential.
火箭球迷:他当年在我火打过一年半的首发吧,但是当初和麦克海尔相处不是很融洽。后来洛瑞受伤后德拉季奇就上位了。现在想想真挺神奇的,当时队里居然有两个日后的明星球员,当时很多我火球迷也都觉得他们深具潜力。
[–][HOU] Dikembe MutomboUvuvwevwevwe_Osas 96 指標 5小時前
Damn there are literally zero good players age 34
火箭球迷:34岁这一档真的一个好球员都没有呀。
[–][OKC] Kevin Durantonewonyuan 62 指標 4小時前
The fact that Jarrett Jack actually makes the list is hilarious.
雷霆球迷:杰克都上榜了,这才是搞笑的地方。
[–][POR] Damian Lillardgreatestbird 21 指標 4小時前
Andre...
猛龙球迷:伊戈达拉……
[–][MIA] Dwyane Wadenot_a_bot__ 23 指標 4小時前
He's dropped off pretty far this year. It's interesting that 34 and higher you won't find any stars, will be fun to see how long LeBron is still considered the best.
热火球迷:他今年下滑太厉害了。34岁及以上没有球星挺有趣的,迫不及待想看看34的詹姆斯还是不是联盟第一人。
[–]Celticsaltilly 89 指標 5小時前
Kyle Korver at 37
骑士球迷:凯尔-科沃尔37了……
[–]76ersPathederic 44 指標 3小時前
I am shook. I thought he was like 34. He's really brilliant for his age. Running around screens on offense as well as moving laterally on defense
76人球迷:吓尿了,我以为他只有34。作为37岁的球员他真的很出色,进攻端利用掩护挡拆跑来跑去,防守端的横移也很棒。
[–][UTA] John StocktonThehealeroftri 42 指標 2小時前
He played with Allen Iverson in Philly. Dudes been around awhile
爵士球迷:他曾经和艾弗森在费城一同征战呦,他在这个联盟已经待了很久了。
[–]CavaliersZee_WeeWee 202 指標 5小時前
28 year olds stacked
骑士球迷:28岁球员阵容天赋爆棚啊。
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 209 指標 5小時前
Based on this crude exercise it does seem to be the "prime" for an NBA player.
就楼主列举的这些来看,28岁真算是NBA球员的巅峰年龄了。
[–]Raptorslhjmq 93 指標 5小時前
Yeah generally 27-30 is your prime in NBA.
是呀,27-30岁就是NBA球员的巅峰期。
[–]kevkev87 62 指標 4小時前
Old enough so that you’ve learned a lot, and young enough where (usually) the beatings your body has taken haven’t quite caught up yet.
在这样的年纪,他们既有足够的经验阅历,身体又没有因为岁月而拖后腿。
[–]safcx22 56 指標 3小時前
LeBron didn't get the memo
勒布朗不在此讨论范围。